Jean Kennedy Smith is Dead to Me!

Aged 92, last of the original Kennedy siblings.

Time for a Kennedy gossip thread! Her son is William Kennedy Smith, who was acquitted of rape. Any inside info on what actually happened?

There is an original thread on this,but really, who the fuck cares?

Hmmm of course I did a search before posting and nothing came up. Thanks for the great search feature that doesn’t find anything, DL.

^ hold that thought... the original post had Jean Smith, not Jean Kennedy Smith. I searched for Kennedy. Who the hell knows who Jean Smith is??

Last of the original siblings.

Her husband was a piece of shit.

Iconic photo. Kennedys are always photographed by the ocean.

I didn't think you'd want us to talk about your liver, Joannie.

Because there's so much to say.

Is the lobotomized one dead?

End of an era.

Camelot will not die until Caroline is gone, though.

Total Kennedy Kunt. .When she was Ambassador to Ireland she was an entitled nightmare and made the lives of the people at our embassy in Dublin a misery.

I hope Ahnold doesn’t bring the maid’s son: Joseph Bob Jovi to the funeral.

[quote] When she was Ambassador to Ireland she was an entitled nightmare and made the lives of the people at our embassy in Dublin a misery.

You poor dears!

Americans will not be criticized!

Will Chris Bratt try and make a big splashy entrance to a virtual funeral?

When are the rest of them going to die? Don't they have more planes, cars, skis, and kayaks to die in or on? Sick of this fugly buck-tooth bunch of cunts.

Will Ethel pick her nose?

Of the children of Joe & Rose who died naturally, she lived the longest. But 92 pales in comparison to Rose, who died at 104, & Rose's mother, who, surviving JFK, died at 98.

The people whose careers she tried to ruin gave a shit, r16, so fuck you.

I knew Rose lived to 104, R22, but I didn't realise her mother made it to 98. It's ironic that the Kennedys actually inherited robust genes. Of JFK's generation, the ones who died of natural causes were:

Rose Marie (lived to 86)

Patricia (82)

Eunice (88)

Ted (77 - not bad for a long-term binge-drinker)

Jean (92)

[quote] Kym Kennedy Smith Tucker

At some point you've just got to say your own name allowed and realise it makes you sound like a character from a nursery rhyme.

Jean Ann Kennedy Smith, born in Boston (February 20, 1928 – June 17, 2020)

End of an era. RIP

[quote]Will Chris Bratt try and make a big splashy entrance to a virtual funeral?

Who?

Lee Radziwill's death last year received more coverage than Jean's has. I remember being surprised to see that Lee's death was the fifth most-read story on BBC News the day she died. I know Lee was a socialite and (critically-panned) actress, but I still would have thought the last Kennedy sibling would have attracted more attention than Jackie O's sister.

^ It shouldn't be surprising. Jackie's allure surpassed her husband's even while he was a living president, and he would occasionally joke in speeches, introducing himself as Jacqueline Kennedy's husband.

So a relaitive of Jackie's would definitely get more attention.

What’s the deal with her creepy son Stephen. Is he a gay

The Kennedy's are so rich, yet they never seem to buy sunblock and have the same sun damage.

R28. Jean Kennedy was often known as the quiet Kennedy. although she emerged as as quite the dealmaker as ambassador to Ireland in her later years.

R31, but every single one has amazing hair. Is there a friggin bald Kennedy? They all have thick hair. Amazing.

[quote]Time for a Kennedy gossip thread! Her son is William Kennedy Smith, who was acquitted of rape. Any inside info on what actually happened?

Yeah, he's the rape version of OJ. Got away with it.

While 92 is nothing to sneeze at, I thought Jean would be the sibling to live as long as their mother. She seemed to be in relatively good shape in recent years - certainly better than Ethel, who has looked really frail and feeble in the last several years. Joan is still around, but she was also a lot younger than the other in-laws.

SPILL THE TEA R13. Why was JKS a nightmare to embassy employees? I read Bill Clinton appointed her at the urging of her brother Ted.

You don't hear about the Kennedys anymore now that Chris Matthews is no longer on MSNBC.

Thank God, R36. It's tiresome.

Rosemary was the lobotomized Kennedy.

Rose Marie was screwing Morey Amsterdam at the time.

[quote]The Kennedy's are so rich

Oh, dear.

Jean and Lauren Bacall were besties.

Steve Smith cheated on Jean for decades . . . but she retaliated.

"In response to his affairs, Smith began an “intimate friendship” in the 1960s with lyricist Alan Jay Lerner, according to “The Kennedy Women.” Smith was adamant that it was only a friendship, according to the book, even though friends and Lerner’s assistant said otherwise."

R38, She definitely wasn't screwing Richard Deacon.

According to The Kennedy Women Lerner dumped her when he received a threatening call from someone linked to RFK.

After the affair ended Jean and Steve adopted the two girls.

Kym Smith is ...not Kennedyesque.

Joe Sr. is making them all link arms to look like idiots in heaven right now.

^^I doubt that half of them made it there. Old Joe especially.

I find it bizarre and creepy when adults refer to the dead being "up in heaven" with their loved ones. I mean, what foolishness! It's so childish, and really so pagan!

R43, How ironic that Alan Jay Lerner wrote the lyrics for Camelot, the musical eternally associated with JFK.

[Quote] Of the children of Joe & Rose who died naturally, she lived the longest. But 92 pales in comparison to Rose, who died at 104, & Rose's mother, who, surviving JFK, died at 98.

So young...

IMHO, Rosemary was the best looking of the lot.

Kathleen was the only looker in that entire bunch of cunts.

R50 - I think Kick Kennedy's nose was too broad. Rosemary was much better looking.

Whatever, R51. They were both better looking than Pat or Eunice, who was a real dog.

It's ironic Jean started the Special Olympics and never entered Rosemary in any events ! Even though she and her family are the ones that made her a qualifier.

Eunice started the SO, I believe.

^The much-dreaded, millennial beginning of a sentence?

R54 - You are correct!

R52 - I agree with your assessment. Kick & Rosemary were the lookers in the Kennedy Family.

I met someone who actually met JFK and this person told me his hair was actually red. Is this true? Did JFK have red hair?

Eunice looked like the missing link.

The ignorance of this OP is startling.

Idiota.

R56, When I was a kid and JFK was our Senator, he used to march in our July 4th parade every year.

Yes, his hair was a dark shade of red.

When in DC and the Senate was in session, he would have a stylist work on his hair in his Senate office in the morning.

Rose Marie, named for her mother Rosemary, was given a lobotomy at 23. She died in 2005.

I met Jean Kennedy Smith on QM2 in 2006. She had the Royal Suite. Her PA was furious that we had lost her supply of colostomy bags. Camelot.

R61, Were they monogrammed?

I saw Rose Kennedy in church.

Years ago, if you vacationed on Cape Cod in the summer and attended Mass at Saint Francis Xavier Church, you were guaranteed to see some Kennedys.

Yeah, when not fucking people or crashing their planes or cars (and usually killing someone else along with them), they were at mass every Sunday.

That's exactly where I saw her, r66. It was the 70s.

[quote]Rosemary was the lobotomized Kennedy. Rose Marie was screwing Morey Amsterdam at the time.

R38. She was born Rose Marie "Rosemary" Kennedy (September 13, 1918 – January 7, 2005) . Rose Marie Kennedy was born at her parents' home in Brookline, Massachusetts. She was the third child and first daughter of Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. and Rose Fitzgerald. She was named after her mother and was commonly called Rosemary or Rosie.

R35 Before she got there, the US Embassy in Dublin was a backwater - a dumping ground for diplomats who didn’t get the important jobs elsewhere. The ambassadorship had long been a plum political appointment - usually given to a generous contributor of Irish ancestry - something else that always pisses off the career people.

Kennedy got in trouble with then Secretary of State Warren Christopher for reprimanding two embassy staffers who’d tried to squelch her advocacy of a US visa for Gerry Adams, then head of Sinn Fein, but President Clinton approved the visa, Adams came to the US, and Amb. Kennedy’s hooleys at the Embassy in Phoenix Park set the stage for George Mitchell’s successful efforts to secure peace in Northern Ireland.

You have to break some eggs to make an omelette. Kennedy did (and was no doubt imperious in doing so) but got more concrete results than any of her predecessors in the job.

I wonder how much her net worth is?

You mean how much of the ill-gotten gains of her father did she inherit?

Well that’s a shame.

There are so many, it seems like one of them dies every couple of months.

[quote] I find it bizarre and creepy when adults refer to the dead being "up in heaven" with their loved ones. I mean, what foolishness! It's so childish, and really so pagan!

Well you sound very accepting.

Let them have their thing if it makes them feel better. It’s no harm to you.

[quote]I met someone who actually met JFK and this person told me his hair was actually red. Is this true?

Did this person meet him in Dallas per chance?

R76 - You are one sick puppy!

R56: very dark red, more like chestnut as seen in this Fabian Bachrach portrait from 1961 from the JFK Library's collection.

The Kennedy's came here as starving Irish potato famine waifs. Jeanie( as Jackie O called her) could have a made a real impact with that Ambassadorship. Like going back to your High School and volunteering to help build a new wing. Sounds like she wasted it.

"The Kennedy's came here"

The Kennedy's what came here, R79?

The Kennedys came everywhere.

Will Ethel and Joan be attending Jean's funeral?

These days, both are on the verge of immobility.

R78. One of JFK's tarts said she used to rub a henna based oil into Jack Kennedy's hair to bring out the red highlights. By 46 he was starting to go grey.

I went to Catholic school with a girl who was obsessed with JFK. Used to dream about marrying him. She was in love with him. Had pictures of him in her locker and in her binder.

I went to HS in the mid 90s, so clearly the girl was mentally ill.

R85, How did she feel about JFK, Jr.?

86 posts and no one has asked if they could have her stuff?

RFK, Ted and JFK Jr. should have been President too. This country was robbed big time!

After what happened with the Bushes & and now Turd with his family working at the White House, I don’t like the idea of any family having that many members in power.

R89, And that goes for the Clintons, as well.

[quote] RFK, Ted and JFK Jr. should have been President too. This country was robbed big time!

RFK, definitely!

Teddy? Yeah, no. If he has the audacity to crash his car while drunk and leave Mary Jo to die a horrible drowning death, then inexplicably appear at her funeral in a neck brace to pander (or worse), just no.

JFK, Jr., we don’t know. He didn’t live long enough to know what his opinions were. As McCormick said at a debate when Ted was running for Congress, “if his name was [John] Moore, his candidacy would be a joke.”

R91, Slight correction . . .

When 30-year-old Edward Moore Kennedy was nominated in 1962 to fill the U.S. Senate seat vacated by his brother, President John F. Kennedy, his opponent charged that the young candidate was merely living off of his name, saying that "if your name was Edward Moore, your candidacy would be a joke."

What’s the correction, r92?

That’s exactly what I said, substituting John’s name since we were talking about JFK, Jr.

R93: I'm not R92, but let me offer several.

"As McCormick said" Q: who is McCormick? A: Edward McCormick, Attorney General of Massachusetts and a nephew of then House Speaker John McCormick. Context matters.

"Ted was running for Congress" Uh, Ted was running for the US Senate.

Had JFK, Jr. ran in New York State or in Massachusetts his candidacy would not be a joke. He, like his uncle Ted did and joke or no joke, would have won in a landslide.

R92 is off a bit, too: the 1962 special election for the US Senate was to replace Senator Benjamin Smith, appointed in 1960 when JFK was elected to serve part of his remaining term. JFK's seat had been vacated two years before then and Smith (JFK's Harvard roommate) was appointed as a placeholder because Ted wasn't old enough in to serve in the Senate in 1960.

[quote] "Ted was running for Congress" Uh, Ted was running for the US Senate.

Since when is a US Senator not part of Congress?

R95, you expected an entire background for the quote? Who the parties were, what office they were running for, when the quote was given?

Jesus are you pedantic.

I have read many books about the Kennedys and I still can’t figure out if Rosemary was mentally retarded, severely mentally ill, a slut or an early feminist.

I thought Rosemary had some minor brain damage related to her birth-she didn’t get enough oxygen to the brain when she was born. She also had epilepsy. It sounds like she was slightly delayed and not as intelligent as her siblings, but certainly not “retarded.”

As she got older the family kept putting her into convents and into schools with children, and she rebelled. According to The Kennedy Women (and Eunice was interviewed for that book extensively), she started leaving the convent she was in at night and wandering off at night in a nightgown. Joe Kennedy was worried she would end up pregnant or worse, so he had her lobotomized.

On one of the other many Kennedy threads, someone who (said) they used to work at the Watergate said that Stephen Smith, who lived in the building at the time, was very weird & used to steal sugar packets from the tables at night. And then there's Willie - was nothing if not a world class creep. So Jean wasn't exactly mother of the year....

In regards to R13's post, it would be interesting for hear more tea, but if I recall from that incident, Jean retaliated against embassy personnel who were simply doing their jobs in regards to the official position on Adams at that time....

Jean was the sister that was closest to Jackie, right? She didn’t have that gym teacher quality that Eunice (and Ethel) had, and she wasn’t a drunk like Pat.

I don’t think Jackie was close to any of the Kennedy sisters. She considered them vulgarians. The only one she liked and had more in common with was sis in law Joan.

Yes, Jackie got on better with Jean than the other two, R101. When she went to Wales for the funeral of Lord Harlech in the 80s, she brought Jean, Ted and one of Eunice's sons. Ted, being him, ended up getting drunk and making a show of himself the night before the funeral.

Ted Kennedy was a great Senator and would have been a great President! Chappaquiddick should have been a non issue.

[quote] I don’t think Jackie was close to any of the Kennedy sisters. She considered them vulgarians. The only one she liked and had more in common with was sis in law Joan.

Joan (wife of Ted) Kennedy had 5 children, so she was quite the breeder herself.

What? I thought Joan only had three kids: Ted Jr, Patricia and Kara.

" . . . wandering off at night in a nightgown."

Typical behavior for a Kennedy.

R105, Joan had several miscarriages, but only three children.

Daughter Kara died in 2011, two years after Ted.

R104, It could have happened to anybody.

[quote]wandering off at night in a nightgown.

What the hell would he expect her to wear? It’s nighttime!

Not quite r105. She had several miscarriages. One right after Chappaquiddik.

R111, Were they planning to name her Mary Jo?

Ted Kennedy didn't handle Chappaquiddick in the best way, but we have to think of the greater good here. It shouldn't of cost him the Presidency. He should have been elected President in 1980, not Reagan!

This thread got me interested in Jackie/Ethel/Joan so I'm reading the J. Randi Taraborrelli book about them and let's just say, Ethel is the villain

R113, Sweetie, Ted couldn’t even beat Jimmy Carter in the primaries.

"It shouldn't of cost him the Presidency."

Oh, dear.

Although I was a Kennedy supporter in '80, his candidacy didn't help Carter in the general. And it's been reported that none of the Kennedys, including Ted & Jackie, voted for Carter. So we got Reagan. The family seemingly couldn't accept a democratic president who wasn't a Kennedy. First LBJ & then Carter.

DUMBFUCK R113, that's just it, Kennedy WOULD have beaten Reagan, not get trounced in a landslide like Carter did! Too many imbeciles in the Democratic primary couldn't see the big picture and forget about a non issue like Chappaquiddick!

R118, The Democrats are about to make the same mistake by running Biden against Trump.

No, R118, the Democratic Party would've been too divided if Kennedy had wrested the nom from an incumbent president for a win in the fall. And, just as McCain suffered for the failures of Bush in '08, the failures of Carter would've made a Democratic victory in '80 very unlikely. And let's not forget that Kennedy was an awful candidate, who only got better when the primary race was effectively over. Unlike his brothers, Ted was temperamentally better suited to be a Senator.

R118, I’m a great admirer of Senator Kennedy, but Chappaquiddick was not a non issue.

Does anyone know about the Kennedy Family Trust? Is it set up to go on forever so that no direct descendant of Joe Kennedy will ever have to work for a living or was it is it meant to end with one of the generations and at some point have a final disbursement? Are we up to the 4th or 5th generation now?

I heard that young Kennedys most of us have never heard of have run out of money. The youngest generation. The Joe Kennedy III generation,

This article from Fortune explains the Kennedy trust. I thInk the RFK branch family is the poorest because they had to split his trust among 11 kids and Ethel, plus he used personal funds during the 1968 campaign.

The family fortune was boosted in 1998 when they sold the Chicago Merchandise Mart for $700 million.

If RFK had lived, how many children would he have had? It boggles the mind.

The article doesn't tell too much except to say that the trust keeps growing and they're very good at using tax shelters. It also sounds like they only distribute the principal and have numerous safeguards in place to keep most of the money out of the hands of the mentally ill, alcoholics, drug abusers, gambling addicts and the like. Beneficiaries probably don't get their bigger distribution until they hit 40

This has nothing to do with anything, but I inherited $130K when I was young. Is that a small or significant inheritance for an ordinary person?

Ethel was 40 when RFK died. Considering she had three kids between1965 and 1968 I’d imagine they would have had at least three more kids if RFK lived.

Ethel loved being pregnant, she just didn’t want to deal with them after that.

Ethel Kennedy had all 11 children by Caesarian section. It must look hideous down below with all that scarring.

Jean not only set up Ethel and Bobby, she also set up Joan and Ted. Then she was a bitch to Joan when she started drinking, and even entertained Ted and his mistresses in the 70s.

Another fun Kennedy tell all is “The Other Mrs.Kennedy,” about Ethel. It reminds me of a Kitty Kelley book-basically the Queen who wrote it went out of his way to not say a anything Kind about Ethel.

R131, The author is Jerry Oppenheimer, who also wrote an equally unflattering book on RFK, Jr..

The Ethel book is juicy, with tales of her history of not paying bills, returning designer clothing after wearing and inability to parent her children after Bobby died.

Jean appears to have confirmed and condoned Marilyn's long rumored fling with brother Bobby.

"For over half a century, rumors suggesting Marilyn Monroe was romantically involved with Bobby Kennedy have circled around Hollywood. Now, a letter written in the early 1960s from Jean Kennedy Smith, sister of President John F. Kennedy, has surfaced. In a missive to the actress Jean wrote: 'Understand that you and Bobby are the new item!'"

r131 That's a sizable inheritance for someone under 30, if that what you mean by "young". You could invest it and be well off in your later years.

Most young people would spend it, however, since they have no concept of being old.

[quote] Although I was a Kennedy supporter in '80, his candidacy didn't help Carter in the general.

Nothing would’ve helped Carter in the general.

Nothing.

Why wasn't Ted ever known as TFK like his brothers? I didn't think it was possible for a woman to have more than three caesareans, was Ethel too posh to push?

R136, Ted's initials were EMK.

R136, More than three(3) Caesarian births can be very dangerous for the mother, but Ethel did, indeed, have all eleven(11) via Caesarian.

A major plus in Ethel's case was that she was very athletic and in excellent physical shape, maintaining a strong abdominal wall.

Still, given the scars from eleven(11) incisions, it must look like a tic-tac-toe board down there.

The Kennedy Trust is bust. I had to pay to fix that trash Ethel's roof.

^^^ Bitch .. least ya could do for fucking my husband .

R137, maybe because EMK doesn't roll off the tongue quite as easily as JFK or RFK.

[quote] was Ethel too posh to push?

😂

[quote] Still, given the scars from eleven(11) incisions, it must look like a tic-tac-toe board down there.

Forgive my ignorance, but as a gay man I don’t have any experience with this, but wouldn’t they just “go in” through the old scar?

R143, The majority of obstetricians will cut above the previous Caesarian scar. It's not advisable to cut along the previous scar due to scar tissue and cutting below could affect the mother's bladder and/or uterus.

Wait... I don’t think Ethel had 11 cesareans. Talk about an obscure trivia fact... does anyone know?

Was she the mother or grandmother of the rapist.

The acquitted William Kennedy Smith was her son, R146.

Found an article in the NYT archives from December of 1968 announcing that Ethel had given birth to her 11th child at the age of 40.

Unfortunately, DL will not allow me to link.

The article states that the baby, Rory, was Ethel's fifth child to be delivered by Caesarian section.

So, 5 were Caesarian and 6 were not.

After 6 babies that vag was stretched to hell and back. That woman was sick. She only had that many kids to beat Rose Kennedy’s litter of 9. Who thinks like that ?

Kathleen, the first child, split Ethel's perenium down to her anus requiring stitches!

I love that pic r140. I've never seen it before. But I have seen the pic of Ethel's vulgar habit.

That pic at r140 is from Jackie’s brief post widow residency in Georgetown, when she was drinking heavily and when she supposedly started fucking RFK.

I never bought the RFK/Nureyev story. I could see JFK or even Teddy doing something with another man but Bobby seemed too uptight for that. If he had lived I think he would have found gay rights challenging to accept.

There is so much to cover here.

I'm surprised to see bad things said about Stephen Smith. Bad husband but a nice man. He also ran the Merchandise Mart and made all the money.

Jean would get very drunk at lunch and would have to be carried to her car but would drive hersels home.

I would recommend "Torn Lace Curtain" by Frank Saunders. It's all true.

No r154 but I am aware of their friendship.

Another juicy Kennedy book is "My Life with Jacqueline Kennedy" by Mary Barelli Gallagher.

Published in 1969, it's long out of print, but used copies can be found online.

Mary was Jackie's personal secretary mainly during the White House years. She was with them in Dallas and offers a unique account of the day of the assassination.

This was the first book that pulled back the curtain and exposed unflattering things about Jackie.

I recall Barbara Walters interviewing Mary Gallagher on the TODAY Show and Barbara was rather displeased that Mary was so candid in her book.

R154 Bobby told me Rudi gave better head than I did... bitch

Gore Vidal said JFK was a terrific person. Warm and funny with charisma for miles. But he was one of the worst presidents we ever had. Of course this was before anyone experienced Trump but still.

And anyone who thinks Chappaquiddick was a minor inconvenience and shouldn't have affected Ted's political career is a sick fuck.

Jean's face was much too soft. I told her many times to go visit the face sharpener's boutique Maria and I have frequented.

I'm sorry: I just don't believe Ethel could have survived 11 Caesareans.

I never saw saw that picture of Rose Mary before. She was much prettier than Kick.

What's worse to an Irish Catholic than getting knocked up before marriage? It sure isn't death.

reply 130 After the third Caesarian, they installed a zipper down there. Made it so much easier.

R163 . . .

Found an article in the NYT archives from December of 1968 announcing that Ethel had given birth to her 11th child at the age of 40.

Unfortunately, DL will not allow me to link.

The article states that the baby, Rory, was Ethel's fifth child to be delivered by Caesarian section.

So, 5 were Caesarian and 6 were not.

If I had to choose a favorite Kennedy sister, it would be Eunice. She founded the Special Olympics and it was often said that if she had been born a man, she would have become president.

^^^ Bitch would never get my vote.

Kennedy sisters were hot mamas!

R170, I doubt they even considered asking Jackie or Joan to participate.

The Special Olympics with evolved into Best Buddies was much more about Mr. Shiver than Mrs. Shiver.

Sarge was a lovely man and a great friend of my Dad.

Eunice was a witch but was a great mom and kept her kids out of that mess.

*Shriver*

My spelling is awful.

& P.S. Jackie kept her kids out of it too.

Maria Shriver said in The Kennedy Women, “My father has had the same secretary for over 30 years. My mother is lucky if she can keep a secretary for 3 months.”

What kind of hideous name is Eunice?

It’s a family name, r175, the name of Rose Kennedy’s youngest sister.

Kathleen’s middle name was Agnes, which was the name of one of Rose’s other sisters.

[R9] At least Joan is still alive so that liver did pretty well! Outlived all of the trash we called the Kennedy's!

Chappaquiddick was obviously a sad loss for Kopechne and her family and friends. But the real loss was for the American people, who lost a chance to have Ted Kennedy as our President!

The Kennedys are Amercia's royal family!

A sad loss? Like maybe an unforgettable tragedy that destroyed both parents' lives?

And if he had been president Ted would have been found every morning in his underwear passed out on the White House lawn.

Has Jean been planted yet?

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